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		<title>Comment on Lent for Life: Education by Jason Shanks</title>
		<link>http://caritasetveritas.com/2010/03/lent-for-life-education/comment-page-1/#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Shanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another book I would highly recommend by Denise Mackura, J.D. called &quot;American Democracy in the Wake of Roe.&quot;  It is a short read and well worth it.  It is published by the Human Family Trust.  

Also, I would highly recommend Catherine Palmer&#039;s (person who responded above) pro-life blog: http://vitaproomni.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another book I would highly recommend by Denise Mackura, J.D. called &#8220;American Democracy in the Wake of Roe.&#8221;  It is a short read and well worth it.  It is published by the Human Family Trust.  </p>
<p>Also, I would highly recommend Catherine Palmer&#8217;s (person who responded above) pro-life blog: <a href="http://vitaproomni.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://vitaproomni.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Lent for Life: Education by Catherine</title>
		<link>http://caritasetveritas.com/2010/03/lent-for-life-education/comment-page-1/#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a great post, Ryan! You have obviously put a lot of time and research into this, and you&#039;ve pointed us toward some fantastic pro-life resources. Thank you so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a great post, Ryan! You have obviously put a lot of time and research into this, and you&#8217;ve pointed us toward some fantastic pro-life resources. Thank you so much!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lent for Life by Ryan</title>
		<link>http://caritasetveritas.com/2010/02/lent-for-life/comment-page-1/#comment-607</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jon.  Is Generation Life just a regional organization?  I can&#039;t figure it out from their website.  I&#039;ve heard about several local/regional education organizations, but don&#039;t know about anyone national.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jon.  Is Generation Life just a regional organization?  I can&#8217;t figure it out from their website.  I&#8217;ve heard about several local/regional education organizations, but don&#8217;t know about anyone national.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Evangelization: Let Us Define by Jason Shanks</title>
		<link>http://caritasetveritas.com/2010/02/evangelization-let-us-define/comment-page-1/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Shanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, 

Thank you for the clarification!  We are on the same page. 

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, </p>
<p>Thank you for the clarification!  We are on the same page. </p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>Comment on Evangelization: Let Us Define by Josh Anderson</title>
		<link>http://caritasetveritas.com/2010/02/evangelization-let-us-define/comment-page-1/#comment-563</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,
I think my choice of words may have been somewhat misleading.  I agree that the message of salvation for the individual is bound up inseparably with the Christ-event and is not an afterthought.  In fact, I love the way that the Bible actually identifies the believer so closely with Christ that it says that when he died we died, when he rose we rose, and that we are currently seated with him in the heavenly places.  My point was more to the order of things.  In other words, the life, death, resurrection and current reign of Christ are central and logically prior to the salvation of man.

However, I will say that I think that it is important to make sure that our gospel is God-centered and not man-centered. I would say that many historical presentations of the gospel are far too focused on man and make it really all about him.  In the final analysis, the chief end is the glory of God.  However, we can take great joy in the fact that the glory of God is most fully displayed in his grace towards us.  So, happily, the two are inseparable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,<br />
I think my choice of words may have been somewhat misleading.  I agree that the message of salvation for the individual is bound up inseparably with the Christ-event and is not an afterthought.  In fact, I love the way that the Bible actually identifies the believer so closely with Christ that it says that when he died we died, when he rose we rose, and that we are currently seated with him in the heavenly places.  My point was more to the order of things.  In other words, the life, death, resurrection and current reign of Christ are central and logically prior to the salvation of man.</p>
<p>However, I will say that I think that it is important to make sure that our gospel is God-centered and not man-centered. I would say that many historical presentations of the gospel are far too focused on man and make it really all about him.  In the final analysis, the chief end is the glory of God.  However, we can take great joy in the fact that the glory of God is most fully displayed in his grace towards us.  So, happily, the two are inseparable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Evangelization: Let Us Define by Jason Shanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Shanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, I am glad you liked it!  I would be interested in your further thought regarding salvation as a by-product. I am not sure I agree that the salavation piece was in some way a secondary message or almost like an afterthought of their sharing the message and meaning of Christ and his life, passion, death, resurrection, and ascension. In my mind the facts related to the Christ-event and the meaning and message of it seem tied together. I may be misunderstanding and would be interested to read your thought further on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, I am glad you liked it!  I would be interested in your further thought regarding salvation as a by-product. I am not sure I agree that the salavation piece was in some way a secondary message or almost like an afterthought of their sharing the message and meaning of Christ and his life, passion, death, resurrection, and ascension. In my mind the facts related to the Christ-event and the meaning and message of it seem tied together. I may be misunderstanding and would be interested to read your thought further on this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: Taylor Marshall’s The Crucified Rabbi by Josh Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taylor, 
I wanted to responsed to your request for clarification.  When I said that the mass doesn&#039;t have the properties of the sacrifice of Christ, I didn&#039;t have in mind modes or substances (though we differ here as well).  What I mean is this:  Scripture portrays the sacrifice of Christ is a final and all-sufficient sacrifice.  As such, it is able to cleanse those who embrace it from all guilt, pay fully the penalty for sin, and guarantee eternal life.

Even passages RC’s reference in support of their view of the Eucharist proclaim this in unmistakable terms.  In John 6 Jesus declares that those who eat his flesh and drink his blood will infallibly be raised to enjoy everlasting life (6:50-54 etc.).  The entire passage is shot through with the language of necessity.
  
Nevertheless, the RC Mass is does not relieve those who come of the full penalty of sin.  It does not guarantee them eternal life.  It must be repeated endlessly and to only limited effect.

The reseason for this discrepancy is that John 6 is not speaking primarily of the Eucharist.  (Though as a secondary, derivative referent it is possible and even likely insofar as the Supper pictures the gospel).

Rather a careful reading shows that Jesus is speaking of coming in true faith to the supreme sacrifice that is his death.  Eating and drinking are manifestly metaphors for belief.  He mixes the literal (belief) and figurative (eating/drinking) throughout so that we may discern the meaning of the vivid language – “He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never go thirsty” and so forth. 

As Jesus said at the end of the discourse, “the words I have spoken are spirit and they are life.”  His listeners made the fatal error of reducing what he said to something carnal and finite.  We must not do the same.  IYet, I submit for your consideration that this is precisely what the Roman doctrine does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taylor,<br />
I wanted to responsed to your request for clarification.  When I said that the mass doesn&#8217;t have the properties of the sacrifice of Christ, I didn&#8217;t have in mind modes or substances (though we differ here as well).  What I mean is this:  Scripture portrays the sacrifice of Christ is a final and all-sufficient sacrifice.  As such, it is able to cleanse those who embrace it from all guilt, pay fully the penalty for sin, and guarantee eternal life.</p>
<p>Even passages RC’s reference in support of their view of the Eucharist proclaim this in unmistakable terms.  In John 6 Jesus declares that those who eat his flesh and drink his blood will infallibly be raised to enjoy everlasting life (6:50-54 etc.).  The entire passage is shot through with the language of necessity.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, the RC Mass is does not relieve those who come of the full penalty of sin.  It does not guarantee them eternal life.  It must be repeated endlessly and to only limited effect.</p>
<p>The reseason for this discrepancy is that John 6 is not speaking primarily of the Eucharist.  (Though as a secondary, derivative referent it is possible and even likely insofar as the Supper pictures the gospel).</p>
<p>Rather a careful reading shows that Jesus is speaking of coming in true faith to the supreme sacrifice that is his death.  Eating and drinking are manifestly metaphors for belief.  He mixes the literal (belief) and figurative (eating/drinking) throughout so that we may discern the meaning of the vivid language – “He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never go thirsty” and so forth. </p>
<p>As Jesus said at the end of the discourse, “the words I have spoken are spirit and they are life.”  His listeners made the fatal error of reducing what he said to something carnal and finite.  We must not do the same.  IYet, I submit for your consideration that this is precisely what the Roman doctrine does.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Evangelization: Let Us Define by Josh Anderson</title>
		<link>http://caritasetveritas.com/2010/02/evangelization-let-us-define/comment-page-1/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, Jason.  I particularly enjoyed the Ratzinger citation.  Often when people use the word gospel they think primarily of a message of individual salvation.  However, while this is certainly part of the gospel, if we limit it to this, we&#039;ve missed the big picture.  As the Ratzinger quote brings into sharp focus, the message is about the ascention of a new ruler (this time a new cosmic ruler, the God-man Jesus Christ).  And his very existence and actions are the stuff of the gospel; indeed he is the gospel.  The apostles understood this well.  If you asked them &quot;What is the gospel?&quot; I think the first thing they would have said would have been something like this:  Jesus lived, died, was entombed, rose again, ascended and is now Lord of all.  This is the core, the foundation. The rest, the fact that we can find salvation in him, is kind of a wonderful by-product.

I also appreciate Ratzinger&#039;s comparison of the gospel and the pseudo-gospels of men (i.e. all of the abortive attempts to bring about utopia on earth and created a new kind of man). One of the great ironies of history is that this dream of all men has to be given to us and cannot be built through our own social / political engineering.  We&#039;ve seen all too clearly how the experiments of men end.  And yet we can&#039;t seem to learn from our mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, Jason.  I particularly enjoyed the Ratzinger citation.  Often when people use the word gospel they think primarily of a message of individual salvation.  However, while this is certainly part of the gospel, if we limit it to this, we&#8217;ve missed the big picture.  As the Ratzinger quote brings into sharp focus, the message is about the ascention of a new ruler (this time a new cosmic ruler, the God-man Jesus Christ).  And his very existence and actions are the stuff of the gospel; indeed he is the gospel.  The apostles understood this well.  If you asked them &#8220;What is the gospel?&#8221; I think the first thing they would have said would have been something like this:  Jesus lived, died, was entombed, rose again, ascended and is now Lord of all.  This is the core, the foundation. The rest, the fact that we can find salvation in him, is kind of a wonderful by-product.</p>
<p>I also appreciate Ratzinger&#8217;s comparison of the gospel and the pseudo-gospels of men (i.e. all of the abortive attempts to bring about utopia on earth and created a new kind of man). One of the great ironies of history is that this dream of all men has to be given to us and cannot be built through our own social / political engineering.  We&#8217;ve seen all too clearly how the experiments of men end.  And yet we can&#8217;t seem to learn from our mistakes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ecumenical Evangelization by Tommy P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

Sorry for not getting back to you for a while. I loved reading your response/answer. At times, it really sounded like poetry even! You wrote very beautifully. Thank you for your time in answering the question.

I am finding myself with less and less time to put forward a response. I hope that this summer I can be a little more involved with the discussion.

There is a quote by Joseph Ratzinger, I do not have it with me at the time, and he defines faith as such: a fundamental orientation of our being. Belief is a way of life. It is a trust that, though eschatological, transcends and transforms the present. (Note: I am not writing this as a disagreement to what you said, just wanted to share it.) I would love to type it up a bit more in full. Perhaps later I will try to leave a comment as such if the time proves right.

Thank you also for the quote by one of your favorite theologians.

I&#039;m sorry I cannot write more and/or adequately respond. I do promise that in the future I will be more efficient with responses and so better contribute to the conversation!

Pax et gaudium tecum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>Sorry for not getting back to you for a while. I loved reading your response/answer. At times, it really sounded like poetry even! You wrote very beautifully. Thank you for your time in answering the question.</p>
<p>I am finding myself with less and less time to put forward a response. I hope that this summer I can be a little more involved with the discussion.</p>
<p>There is a quote by Joseph Ratzinger, I do not have it with me at the time, and he defines faith as such: a fundamental orientation of our being. Belief is a way of life. It is a trust that, though eschatological, transcends and transforms the present. (Note: I am not writing this as a disagreement to what you said, just wanted to share it.) I would love to type it up a bit more in full. Perhaps later I will try to leave a comment as such if the time proves right.</p>
<p>Thank you also for the quote by one of your favorite theologians.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry I cannot write more and/or adequately respond. I do promise that in the future I will be more efficient with responses and so better contribute to the conversation!</p>
<p>Pax et gaudium tecum!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: Taylor Marshall’s The Crucified Rabbi by Taylor Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eliyahu,

I hate to break this to you, but you are NOT Torah observant, because you do not have access to the sacerdotal and sacrificial system instituted by Moses. Most of the Torah cannot be fulfilled by you because the Temple was destroyed in accordance with God&#039;s will and in fulfillment of Jesus Christ&#039;s prophecy (Mt 24:34).

If the Torah is the most important set of religious instructions, why has God seen fit to abolish the Temple which is required for its obedience? If God wanted the Temple to stand, then it would stand i in Jerusalem. Instead, he has given us the Third Temple - the Holy Catholic Church - and the priesthood of Melchizedek - who was a priest greater than Aaron (who molded the golden calf and taught Israel to commit idolatry).

Thus, it is 100% impossible to be &quot;Torah-observant&quot; according to your interpretation. The Prophet Daniel prophesied this, as well.

Remember also that Moses, in Deuteronomy 18:15-18, said that another Prophet would come and that we should listen to Him. This is the true meaning of being &quot;Torah observant.&quot; We listen to the Messiah who is the Torah made flesh - the Wisdom of God in our midst.

Catholic Christians still claim to have the daily sacrifices and tabernacle of Moses. Moreover, in Isaiah 6619-22, it is prophesied that God will take Gentiles to be His priests and Levites. We have that, too!!!!

We actually do fulfill the Mosaic precepts as Catholic Christians - unlike &quot;Rabbinical&quot; Judaism and Protestantism.

Sincerely in JESUS Christ the Proverbial Wisdom of God and the High King and Priest of the Everlasting Covenant,

Taylor Marshall

PS: You&#039;re purposefully misspelling of the Messiah&#039;s name to evoke the name of a pagan god is highly offensive. I hope that you will avoid this grave sin in the future. Moreover, if you really want to avoid Anglicization - write in Hebrew characters...not ad hoc English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliyahu,</p>
<p>I hate to break this to you, but you are NOT Torah observant, because you do not have access to the sacerdotal and sacrificial system instituted by Moses. Most of the Torah cannot be fulfilled by you because the Temple was destroyed in accordance with God&#8217;s will and in fulfillment of Jesus Christ&#8217;s prophecy (Mt 24:34).</p>
<p>If the Torah is the most important set of religious instructions, why has God seen fit to abolish the Temple which is required for its obedience? If God wanted the Temple to stand, then it would stand i in Jerusalem. Instead, he has given us the Third Temple &#8211; the Holy Catholic Church &#8211; and the priesthood of Melchizedek &#8211; who was a priest greater than Aaron (who molded the golden calf and taught Israel to commit idolatry).</p>
<p>Thus, it is 100% impossible to be &#8220;Torah-observant&#8221; according to your interpretation. The Prophet Daniel prophesied this, as well.</p>
<p>Remember also that Moses, in Deuteronomy 18:15-18, said that another Prophet would come and that we should listen to Him. This is the true meaning of being &#8220;Torah observant.&#8221; We listen to the Messiah who is the Torah made flesh &#8211; the Wisdom of God in our midst.</p>
<p>Catholic Christians still claim to have the daily sacrifices and tabernacle of Moses. Moreover, in Isaiah 6619-22, it is prophesied that God will take Gentiles to be His priests and Levites. We have that, too!!!!</p>
<p>We actually do fulfill the Mosaic precepts as Catholic Christians &#8211; unlike &#8220;Rabbinical&#8221; Judaism and Protestantism.</p>
<p>Sincerely in JESUS Christ the Proverbial Wisdom of God and the High King and Priest of the Everlasting Covenant,</p>
<p>Taylor Marshall</p>
<p>PS: You&#8217;re purposefully misspelling of the Messiah&#8217;s name to evoke the name of a pagan god is highly offensive. I hope that you will avoid this grave sin in the future. Moreover, if you really want to avoid Anglicization &#8211; write in Hebrew characters&#8230;not ad hoc English.</p>
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